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The underrated stock survey! Submit your picks for the community to track

Following on the previous tracking post (http://redd.it/i2mmzg) and the highly upvoted request from DJ-Ascii , I've set up this post for another round of underrated or undervalued stock picks.
As before, let us know what stock you believe is underrated and a consistent winner that has done well for you, or you believe will do well going forward.
In order to make this easier to track please use the following guidelines for submitting.
  1. Only one submission per comment. You can make multiple comments, but please only submit one stock per comment.
  2. Please include at least the ticker and the company name. Feel free to explain why you think this is a good stock.
I'll add these new picks alongside the old survey so as to update you on each portfolio over time. Don't worry about any overlaps.
Edit 1: I've compiled everyone who has posted so far, but I'll look out for any final additions tomorrow. The list will then be locked EOD on Friday the 7th of August, and all prices will start from there.
Edit 2: All picks have now been locked down and consolidated into the list below. Stocks are sorted in alphabetical order of their company name and the ID corresponds to the approximate order in which they were submitted. The next update will be in 30 days.
ID Company Symbol Provided by Upvotes 8/7/2020
194 10X Genomics Inc TXG Unlucky-Prize 1 $96.13
111 1ST TR EXCHANGE/NASDAQ CEA CYBERSEC CIBR komoggmu321 1 $35.40
176 2U Inc TWOU DickDaddy 1 $41.49
110 AAR Corp. AIR paulo92834 4 $18.77
180 ACM Research Inc ACMR moveitover 1 $101.92
23 Activision Blizzard, Inc. ATVI Mondanivalo 12 $82.47
8 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. AMD ArneGo, apqwer, LoveOfProfit 13 $84.85
28 Ageagle Aerial Systems Inc UAVS fishkillr 16 $3.26
205 Agraflora Organics International Inc AGRA spreeshark 1 $0.05
22 Air Canada TSE:AC priamXus 0 $15.73
19 Alexion Pharmaceuticals, Inc. ALXN fisk47 39 $103.28
70 Alibaba Group Holding Ltd - ADR BABA helio987, ScreeMart, Necessary_Club_6714 -1 $252.10
17 Ally Financial Inc ALLY jcurtis44 1 $21.47
24 Alteryx Inc AYX Kme2 30 $121.38
222 Altimmune Inc ALT Spes-Caritas 1 $27.38
117 Altria Group Inc MO ARGENT_UM_PUR, gm14202 1 $42.17
143 American Tower Corp AMT editviewgo 1 $257.61
175 American Water Works Company Inc AWK InfamousLegato 1 $149.79
183 Anglo Asian Mining LON:AAZ krenaldi1 1 $161.50
129 Aphria Inc APHA Aprhria, Bdghablig 1 $4.47
119 Apple Inc. AAPL tcldstnvdw -1 $444.45
184 Ares Capital Corporation ARCC ThemChecks 1 $14.87
54 ASML Holding NV ASML EthosPathosLegos, earthmoonsun 15 $366.07
113 Atlassian Corporation PLC TEAM shadowrckts 1 $170.93
224 Avalara Inc AVLR nomdeplume_alias 1 $122.71
244 Axon Enterprise Inc AAXN ansofteng 1 $83.88
150 Aytu Bioscience Inc AYTU Bkzkilla2, beefy-ambulance, subaruveganguy22 2 $1.38
236 Banco Bbva Argentina SA BBAR GAV17 1 $4.23
128 Bank of America Corp BAC oobydoobydoobydoo, wrs97 2 $26.11
247 BELLUS Health Inc BLU NhatNguyen2112 1 $2.74
29 Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Class B BRK.B Jeroen_Jrn, Cuza 31 $209.48
45 Best Buy Co Inc BBY 1madeamistake 2 $102.90
35 Beyond Meat Inc BYND Kreisensalat, Flipside 8 $131.51
33 BlackBerry Ltd BB mh1t, EthosPathosLegos 25 $4.84
208 Blackline Inc BL veebeew 2 $79.26
196 Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corporation BAH i_smel_hookers 1 $84.67
75 Boston Beer Company Inc SAM Top_Island 2 $825.79
114 Brainstorm Cell Therapeutics Inc BCLI BigSexyTolo 2 $12.79
92 Brookfield Asset Management Inc BAM duongroi, Avaronah 2 $32.32
187 Brookfield Property Partners LP Unit BPY Onarco 1 $11.75
140 Brookfield Renewable Partners LP BEP YourPineapplePunch 1 $45.25
227 Cameco Corp CCJ jh4962772, Commandobolt, 3STmotivation 13 $10.37
109 Canadian Solar Inc. CSIQ MrMineHeads, vvv561 6 $25.32
204 Cardlytics Inc CDLX whossayn, YarManYak 2 $66.28
146 CBS Corporation Common Stock VIAC 1987supertramp 1 $26.21
74 CD PROJEKT S A/ADR OTGLY Thtb 8 $28.50
229 CDW common stock CDW plorfu 1 $114.77
95 CEL-SCI Corporation CVM Golden_Pineapple 1 $12.19
242 Chegg Inc CHGG Boots2243 1 $86.98
36 Cloudflare Inc NET thereisnospoongeek, olliemacg, Boots2243 220 $40.06
80 COLLIER CREEK H/SH CL A CCH RIC_FLAIR-WOOO 5 $13.84
246 Coty Inc COTY NhatNguyen2112 1 $4.00
209 Cresco Labs Inc CRLBF UncleSlippyFist 1 $6.28
3 Crispr Therapeutics AG CRSP emtvaikkajoku 98 $89.81
142 Crown Castle International Corp CCI jkgator 1 $168.19
16 CureVac Pending IPO Tangerinho 8 #N/A
223 CVS Health Corp CVS handsomeandsmart_ 2 $64.96
65 Cyberark Software Ltd CYBR Kevenam 2 $110.59
239 CytoDyn Inc CYDY dufmum 1 $4.79
165 Daqo New Energy Corp DQ stonk_daddy 1 $122.55
241 DexCom, Inc. DXCM InformalAid 1 $440.70
6 Dicerna Pharmaceuticals Inc DRNA earthmoonsun 7 $21.03
73 Digital Turbine Inc APPS toop4 6 $22.59
130 Docusign Inc DOCU h3ku, Teach-101 0 $204.76
185 Draftkings Inc DKNG boomshalock 1 $34.09
39 Drive Shack Inc DS Bobjenkins97 2 $1.65
4 Editas Medicine Inc EDIT earthmoonsun 7 $34.71
145 Edwards Lifesciences Corp EW TheTubbyOlive 1 $76.94
139 EHang Holdings Ltd - ADR EH TheEUR0PEAN 1 $9.21
230 Electrameccanica Vehicles Corp SOLO IHaveUsernameBlock 1 $3.07
118 Elevate Credit Inc ELVT ScoreFuture 1 $2.58
218 Else Nutrition Holdings Inc BABYF PringlesAreUs 1 $1.36
85 Empire State Realty Trust Inc ESRT silverpaw1786 4 $6.66
21 Enphase Energy Inc ENPH deGoblin 31 $72.84
197 Equinix Inc EQIX gce1010 3 $791.70
86 Essent Group Ltd ESNT veggie-man 1 $35.82
235 Etsy Inc ETSY PeskyShart 1 $135.06
84 Fastly Inc FSLY AwesomeMathUse 3 $79.33
93 Federal National Mortgage Association FNMA figbuilding, onkel_axel 2 $2.12
168 Fire & Flower Holdings Corp TSE:FAF tobcar 1 $1.01
207 First Mining Gold Corp FFMGF RecCenterBall 0 $0.41
219 FLIR Systems, Inc. FLIR zerokarma 1 $37.48
52 Fluor Corporation (NEW) FLR lost_searching 2 $11.38
90 FORUM MERGER II/SH CL A FMCI Mug_of_coffee 3 $14.53
81 Franco Nevada Corp FNV AwesomeMathUse 1 $153.57
155 FuelCell Energy Inc FCEL i-kno-nothing, dewaser 2 $2.68
98 Games Workshop Group PLC OTCMKTS:GMWKF MAUSECOP, Thenattylimit 2 $120.95
115 GameStop Corp. GME EmployerOfTheMonth 2 $4.16
200 Gan Ltd GAN emcdeezy22 2 $20.29
159 General Motors Company GM Buttershine_Beta -1 $26.72
251 Genius Brands International Inc GNUS due11 1 $1.59
156 GFL Environmental Inc GFL lenadunhamsbutthole 1 $21.56
99 Gilead Sciences, Inc. GILD Leroy--Brown 1 $69.35
138 GLB X FUNDS/HEALTH & WELLNESS T BFIT Venhuizer 2 $20.69
126 GLB X FUNDS/VIDEO GAMES & ESPORTS E HERO sgtyzi 1 $26.00
186 Golden Minerals Co AUMN YEEEEEAAAAA 1 $0.44
151 Gran Colombia Gold Corp TSE:GCM Linnake 0 $7.46
67 Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (Btc) GBTC asherlevi 2 $13.06
234 Great Panther Mining Ltd GPL Tony0x01 1 $0.93
152 H&R Real Estate Investment Trust HR.UN CaptainCanuck93 0 $10.34
122 Helen of Troy Limited HELE aa341 1 $201.26
55 Hikma Pharmaceuticals Plc HKMPF Marvins-Room 1 $31.08
20 Horizon Therapeutics PLC HZNP thesearchforanswer 3 $76.06
103 Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc HII howtoreadspaghetti 1 $167.90
9 IAC/Interactivecorp IAC dvdmovie1 36 $133.05
61 Ibio Inc IBIO PrairieDogger69 1 $3.80
101 Immunovia AB (publ) IMMNOV jennyther 3 $161.60
108 Ingles Markets, Incorporated IMKTA kimjungoon 1 $42.97
77 Inmode Ltd INMD meta-cognizant, craneman813 4 $31.77
123 Innovative Industrial Properties Inc IIPR Dalis_Ktm 1 $114.63
201 Inseego Corp INSG esoccer141414 1 $12.08
214 Inspire Medical Systems Inc INSP JPINFV2 1 $104.92
134 Intel Corporation INTC ionlypwn, TitanCrasher54, niknikniknikniknik1 5 $48.03
5 Intellia Therapeutics Inc NTLA earthmoonsun 7 $19.83
164 Intuitive Surgical, Inc. ISRG swalloforswallo 2 $685.85
252 INVESCO EXCHANG/SOLAR ETF TAN z74al 2 $51.20
71 InVitae Corp NVTA emtvaikkajoku, CrackHeadRodeo 6 $28.43
228 ISHARES TGLB CLEAN ENERGY ET ICLN drheman25Q 1 $15.88
112 John B. Sanfilippo & Son, Inc. JBSS chris011186 2 $89.24
171 JPMorgan Chase & Co. JPM wrs97 1 $99.38
58 Jumia Technologies AG - ADR JMIA Jerund, souptrades, 7YearOldCodPlayer, CharlieBrown364, fortnitehead 7 $19.26
144 Kaleyra Inc KLR souptrades 1 $5.87
158 KEFI Minerals plc LON:KEFI Scipio-Africannabis- 1 $1.88
216 Kirkland Lake Gold Ltd KL Newusername 1 $52.58
238 Kroger Co KR bxkrish 1 $35.24
2 Lemonade Inc LMND br1ghtness, skkreet, hahadumblloyd 4 $66.84
15 Limelight Networks, Inc. LLNW cyberdex, thug_funnie 3 $6.10
63 Livongo Health Inc LVGO staniel_diverson, Raybay192, Drifter 1996, moveitover 22 $120.88
182 Logitech International SA LOGI CharlieBrown364 1 $73.03
217 LONZA GRP AG/ADR LZAGY Fuck512 1 $62.92
66 Lydall, Inc. LDL Henisockle 1 $20.89
191 Macerich Co MAC skvettlappen 1 $7.85
97 Magnachip Semiconductor Corp MX samtony234 1 $12.08
233 Mamamancini's Holdings Inc MMMB Jayesslee 1 $1.70
88 Match Group Inc MTCH BallinLikeImKobe24 1 $115.88
79 Maverix Metals Inc MMX AwesomeMathUse 1 $4.61
107 Maxar Technologies Inc MAXR Borne2Run 1 $24.74
221 Mediwound Ltd MDWD blueblade408 1 $3.91
34 Mercadolibre Inc MELI pontoumporcento 14 $1,193.97
161 Micron Technology, Inc. MU Wexoch 3 $48.75
253 Microsoft Corporation MSFT TBSchemer 34 $212.48
179 Millicom International Cellular SA(SWE) STO:TIGO-SDB joseph460 1 $245.50
116 Mills Music Trust Unit OTCMKTS:MMTRS ARGENT_UM_PUR 1 $39.00
10 Molson Coors Beverage Co Class B TAP howtoreadspaghetti 1 $37.27
170 Morgan Stanley MS wrs97 1 $50.35
127 Naspers Limited NPSNY Demandredz 1 $34.60
11 Nathan's Famous, Inc. NATH howtoreadspaghetti 1 $51.25
181 NCR Corporation NCR IAMBEOWULFF, fistymonkey1337 4 $20.11
211 NESTLE S A/S ADR NSRGY suburban_robot 1 $118.47
124 New Relic Inc NEWR Dalis_Ktm 1 $53.62
249 New York Mortgage Trust Inc NYMT ToKeepAndToHoldForev 1 $2.77
162 New York Times Co NYT jonhuang 1 $45.61
69 Nio Inc - ADR NIO makesalotofmoney, Carrera_GT, Charlie Brown364 3 $13.42
59 Nokia Oyj NOK perfectriot, LiabilityFree 52 $4.98
37 Novacyt SA ALNOV Snoopmatt 1 $3.60
254 Nuance Communications Inc. NUAN IwantmyMTZ 1 $29.48
13 NVIDIA Corporation NVDA TBSchemer, friedtea15 66 $447.98
198 NVR, Inc. NVR Linnake 1 $3,875.01
154 Okta Inc OKTA Bcr731 3 $208.23
160 Opko Health Inc. OPK CS1026 1 $5.63
100 ORSTED A/S/ADR DNNGY BrentfordFC21 2 $47.37
190 Otonomy Inc OTIC Unlucky-Prize 1 $3.56
46 Oxford BioMedica plc OXB arabidopsis 12 $850.00
121 Pacific Ethanol Inc PEIX adamtejot 1 $2.69
220 Pagerduty Inc PD throthrowth 2 $29.85
25 Pan African Resources plc PAF Fruity_Pineapple 2 $26.30
245 Paradox Interactive AB (publ) OTCMKTS:PRXXF I_worship_odin 1 $24.30
174 Patriot One Technologies Inc PTOTF DanReynolds 1 $0.73
148 Peabody Energy Corporation BTU aviatoraway1 0 $2.52
237 Peloton Interactive Inc PTON loosetingles 1 $68.30
188 Penn National Gaming, Inc PENN Calpool 1 $49.00
87 Pershing Square Tontine Holdings, Ltd NYSE:PSTH-UN 5_yr_lurker 7 $21.08
31 Pharmacyte Biotech Inc PMCB DillieTheSquid 0 $0.01
47 Pinterest Inc PINS EthanPhan 10 $34.98
149 Planet 13 Holdings Inc PLNHF MMatter1 3 $2.67
43 Plug Power Inc PLUG lukwas_ 4 $11.28
147 Polaris Infrastructure Inc RAMPF CaptainCanuck93 1 $11.50
120 Prologis Inc PLD ImPinkSnail 5 $105.07
250 PROSHARES TULTRA MSCI JAPAN EZJ Necessary_Club_6714 1 $32.13
132 PROSHARES TULTRAPRO QQQ TQQQ iggy555, Guiterrezjm6 5 $126.99
48 Proto Labs Inc PRLB JEesSs 3 $130.13
166 Purple Innovation Inc PRPL jloy88, CharlieBrown364, RemiMartin 6 $23.95
44 Raytheon Technologies Corp RTX anon2019L 21 $61.23
210 Razer Inc RAZFF ThatOneRedditBro 1 $0.22
32 Realty Income Corp O bushysmalls 5 $62.72
199 Redfin Corp RDFN shreddit47 8 $43.69
206 RENAULT S A/ADR RNLSY jw8700 1 $5.33
178 Retractable Technologies, Inc. RVP EmreCanPuns 1 $10.18
94 Rigel Pharmaceuticals, Inc. RIGL Gay_Demons 1 $2.58
203 Rite Aid Corporation RAD ManagerMilkshake 1 $15.05
12 Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory, Inc. RMCF howtoreadspaghetti 1 $3.20
163 Schrodinger Inc SDGR TipasaNuptials, asianmarysue, RattleGoreBitcoin 1 $71.17
72 Sea Ltd SE scatterblodded, tradeintel828384839, thug_funnie, Meymo 16 $129.00
215 ServiceNow Inc NOW cookingboy 1 $431.21
189 Shiloh Industries, Inc. SHLO brainbroked 1 $1.40
82 Shopify Inc SHOP AwesomeMathUse -1 $1,053.12
213 Sibanye Stillwater Ltd SBSW marqui4me 1 $11.39
231 Simulations Plus, Inc. SLP hellohi3 1 $65.83
173 SiTime Corp SITM drbh_ 1 $58.92
248 Six Flags Entertainment Corp SIX EthosPathosLegos 1 $18.38
202 Slack Technologies Inc WORK AntwanDixon_ 2 $28.95
51 SmileDirectClub Inc SDC meeni131 3 $9.05
49 Solaredge Technologies Inc SEDG m4r1vs 14 $211.47
27 Sony Corp SNE drorhac 13 $80.03
177 Sorrento Therapeutics Inc SRNE DowJonesLocker 1 $14.42
225 SPARTAN ENERGY /SH SPAQ bigsexy12 1 $12.36
40 Spirit Airlines Incorporated SAVE Matous_Palecek 0 $17.28
153 Spotify Technology SA SPOT _Hard4Jesus 0 $252.12
7 Square Inc SQ cuti95, ConstructivePlayer, Lfastrsx, jercky, CharlieBrown364 21 $147.22
1 StoneCo Ltd STNE GromGrommeta 73 $49.06
104 SunPower Corporation SPWR Hadouukken 1 $11.86
60 Sunrun Inc RUN FactualNeutronStar 2 $46.00
195 Switch Inc SWCH gce1010 1 $18.03
83 Taal Distributed Information Techs Inc TAAL AwesomeMathUse 1 $1.85
76 Taiwan Semiconductor Mfg. Co. Ltd. TSM Paks_12345, sogladatwork, BlissfulThinkr 13 $80.03
102 Tandem Diabetes Care Inc TNDM liao24 1 $104.15
169 Target Corporation TGT Kosher-Bacon 1 $131.75
26 Tesla Inc TSLA Skurinator, goldcakes, redmars1234, Drortmeyer2017 3 $1,452.71
137 TJX Companies Inc TJX princess-smartypants 3 $55.45
18 Toronto-Dominion Bank TD robbierox123 0 $45.77
141 TPI Composites Inc TPIC polwas 1 $28.81
53 Trade Desk Inc TTD all_hail_hypno, Kay312010 6 $493.20
106 TransMedics Group Inc TMDX DropoutEngy 1 $18.05
131 TransUnion TRU AndyCircus 0 $87.38
78 Travelcenters of America Inc TA jk_tilt 1 $17.27
226 Trevena Inc TRVN pacosteles 1 $2.38
243 Trulieve Cannabis Corp TCNNF grphelps1, Cucumber_Cooling 2 $18.83
38 Tupperware Brands Corporation TUP Scumbaggedfriends 1 $14.98
68 Turtle Beach Corp HEAR chancsc11 1 $18.37
62 Twilio Inc TWLO MarconianRex 8 $249.00
41 Uber Technologies Inc Uber DukeBD2021 -1 $32.90
96 Unibail-Rodamco-Westfield SE URW eams66 2 $42.44
125 Universal Display Corporation OLED niknikniknikniknik1 1 $186.51
64 Valero Energy Corporation VLO chickenandcheesefart 1 $52.66
133 Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund Admiral Shares VTSAX WackyBeachJustice 1 $82.67
135 Veeva Systems Inc VEEV JohnSpartans 3 $261.22
193 Ventas, Inc. VTR Unlucky-Prize 1 $41.52
57 VirnetX Holding Corporation VHC vyts18 2 $5.26
172 VMware, Inc. VMW kingbrow2020 1 $142.31
50 VolitionRX Ltd VNRX RiDDDiK1337 1 $3.35
91 Waitr Holdings Inc WTRH exstaticj 1 $5.15
14 Walker & Dunlop, Inc. WD TBSchemer 0 $57.70
167 Walmart Inc WMT anthonyjh21 6 $129.97
30 Walt Disney Co DIS jadenmc2189, biz_student 6 $129.93
192 WELL Health Technologies Corp TSE:WELL Unlucky-Prize, IcemanVish 2 $4.49
105 Wells Fargo & Co WFC yehdhbdjdjd 1 $25.07
240 Westinghouse Air Brake Technologies Corp WAB warman506 1 $67.23
42 Wizz Air Holdings PLC WIZZ Matous_Palecek 2 $3,412.00
157 Workhorse Group Inc WKHS VisionsDB 5 $16.52
89 Xebec Adsorption Inc. XBC Mug_of_coffee 3 $4.95
232 Xpel Inc XPEL Bkazzle 1 $20.06
212 Yeti Holdings Inc YETI boomwhackers 1 $50.40
136 Zagg Inc ZAGG ni_shi_shei 2 $3.98
56 Zoetis Inc ZTS BearBearChooey 19 $158.88
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The underrated stock survey: one month in on /r/investing investing prowess

Following my post from last month (https://www.reddit.com/investing/comments/i2thge/), please see below for an update on how everyone's picks are doing one month in.
Key takeaways:
  1. 253 picks are still active and being tracked
  2. Overall average return of -1.27%, with an equal weighted return of -1.25%
  3. Highest returning pick: Pacific Ethanol (PEIX), a COVID play made by adamtejot for +78%
  4. If you invested in the top 5 most upvoted stocks (NET, CRSP, STNE, NVDA, NOK), you would have seen a return of -8.9%
  5. If you invested in the top 5 most controversial stocks (TSLA, WD, AMD, LMND, UBER), you would have seen a return of 0.0%
  6. The top 10 gainers in order (PEIS, FMCI, TUP, BABYF, GME, WELL, CVAC, WKHS, KEFI, NIO) provided an average equal weighted return of ~49%
For a full list of performance as of NOON EST, see below:
ID Company Symbol Provided by Upvotes 8/7/2020 9/11/2020 Increase
121 Pacific Ethanol Inc PEIX adamtejot 1 $2.69 $4.78 78%
90 FORUM MERGER II/SH CL A FMCI Mug_of_coffee 3 $14.53 $25.38 75%
38 Tupperware Brands Corporation TUP Scumbaggedfriends 1 $14.98 $23.89 59%
218 Else Nutrition Holdings Inc BABYF PringlesAreUs 1 $1.36 $2.06 51%
115 GameStop Corp. GME EmployerOfTheMonth 2 $4.16 $6.12 47%
192 WELL Health Technologies Corp TSE:WELL Unlucky-Prize, IcemanVish 2 $4.49 $6.33 41%
157 Workhorse Group Inc WKHS VisionsDB 5 $16.52 $23.06 40%
16 CureVac CVAC Tangerinho 8 $55.90 $77.20 38%
158 KEFI Gold and Copper Plc LON:KEFI Scipio-Africannabis- 1 $1.88 $2.58 37%
69 Nio Inc - ADR NIO makesalotofmoney, Carrera_GT, Charlie Brown364 3 $13.42 $17.90 33%
144 Kaleyra Inc KLR souptrades 1 $5.87 $7.75 32%
237 Pelaton PTON loosetingles 1 $68.30 $89.44 31%
245 Paradox Interactive AB (publ) OTCMKTS:PRXXF I_worship_odin 1 $24.30 $31.70 30%
80 UTZ BRANDS INC/SH CL A NV UTZ RIC_FLAIR-WOOO 5 $13.84 $17.76 28%
194 10X Genomics Inc TXG Unlucky-Prize 1 $96.13 $123.17 28%
26 Tesla Inc TSLA Skurinator, goldcakes, redmars1234, Drortmeyer2017 3 $290.54 $371.75 28%
78 Travelcenters of America Inc TA jk_tilt 1 $17.27 $21.75 26%
185 Draftkings Inc DKNG boomshalock 1 $34.09 $42.80 26%
233 Mamamancini's Holdings Inc MMMB Jayesslee 1 $1.70 $2.10 24%
225 SPARTAN ENERGY /SH SPAQ bigsexy12 1 $12.36 $15.21 23%
214 Inspire Medical Systems Inc INSP JPINFV2 1 $104.92 $128.80 23%
51 SmileDirectClub Inc SDC meeni131 3 $9.05 $11.06 22%
60 Sunrun Inc RUN FactualNeutronStar 2 $46.00 $56.11 22%
101 Immunovia AB (publ) IMMNOV jennyther 3 $161.60 $197.00 22%
188 Penn National Gaming, Inc PENN Calpool 1 $49.00 $59.72 22%
213 Sibanye Stillwater Ltd SBSW marqui4me 1 $11.39 $13.74 21%
248 Six Flags Entertainment Corp SIX EthosPathosLegos 1 $18.38 $22.17 21%
232 Xpel Inc XPEL Bkazzle 1 $20.06 $24.16 20%
149 Planet 13 Holdings Inc PLNHF MMatter1 3 $2.67 $3.20 20%
71 InVitae Corp NVTA emtvaikkajoku, CrackHeadRodeo 6 $28.43 $33.28 17%
179 Millicom International Cellular SA(SWE) STO:TIGO-SDB joseph460 1 $245.50 $287.00 17%
48 Proto Labs Inc PRLB JEesSs 3 $130.13 $150.38 16%
22 Air Canada TSE:AC priamXus 0 $15.73 $18.02 15%
159 General Motors Company GM Buttershine_Beta -1 $26.72 $30.51 14%
148 Peabody Energy Corporation BTU aviatoraway1 0 $2.52 $2.84 13%
199 Redfin Corp RDFN shreddit47 8 $43.69 $49.15 12%
146 CBS Corporation Common Stock VIAC 1987supertramp 1 $26.21 $29.46 12%
109 Canadian Solar Inc. CSIQ MrMineHeads, vvv561 6 $25.32 $28.40 12%
169 Target Corporation TGT Kosher-Bacon 1 $131.75 $147.67 12%
41 Uber Technologies Inc Uber DukeBD2021 -1 $32.90 $36.72 12%
95 CEL-SCI Corporation CVM Golden_Pineapple 1 $12.19 $13.51 11%
55 Hikma Pharmaceuticals Plc HKMPF Marvins-Room 1 $31.08 $34.38 11%
17 Ally Financial Inc ALLY jcurtis44 1 $21.47 $23.71 10%
173 SiTime Corp SITM drbh_ 1 $58.92 $64.80 10%
190 Otonomy Inc OTIC Unlucky-Prize 1 $3.56 $3.90 10%
13 NVIDIA Corporation NVDA TBSchemer, friedtea15 66 $447.98 $490.43 9%
72 Sea Ltd SE scatterblodded, tradeintel828384839, thug_funnie, Meymo 16 $129.00 $141.21 9%
243 Trulieve Cannabis Corp TCNNF grphelps1, Cucumber_Cooling 2 $18.83 $20.49 9%
73 Digital Turbine Inc APPS toop4 6 $22.59 $24.51 8%
70 Alibaba Group Holding Ltd - ADR BABA helio987, ScreeMart, Necessary_Club_6714 -1 $252.10 $271.66 8%
206 RENAULT S A/ADR RNLSY jw8700 1 $5.33 $5.74 8%
234 Great Panther Mining Ltd GPL Tony0x01 1 $0.93 $1.00 8%
77 Inmode Ltd INMD meta-cognizant, craneman813 4 $31.77 $34.15 7%
97 Magnachip Semiconductor Corp MX samtony234 1 $12.08 $12.97 7%
79 Maverix Metals Inc MMX AwesomeMathUse 1 $4.61 $4.93 7%
145 Edwards Lifesciences Corp EW TheTubbyOlive 1 $76.94 $82.17 7%
250 PROSHARES TULTRA MSCI JAPAN EZJ Necessary_Club_6714 1 $32.13 $34.31 7%
98 Games Workshop Group PLC OTCMKTS:GMWKF MAUSECOP, Thenattylimit 2 $120.95 $129.15 7%
123 Innovative Industrial Properties Inc IIPR Dalis_Ktm 1 $114.63 $122.40 7%
167 Walmart Inc WMT anthonyjh21 6 $129.97 $137.78 6%
227 Cameco Corp CCJ jh4962772, Commandobolt, 3STmotivation 13 $10.37 $10.99 6%
18 Toronto-Dominion Bank TD robbierox123 0 $45.77 $48.26 5%
124 New Relic Inc NEWR Dalis_Ktm 1 $53.62 $56.52 5%
114 Brainstorm Cell Therapeutics Inc BCLI BigSexyTolo 2 $12.79 $13.47 5%
138 GLB X FUNDS/HEALTH & WELLNESS T BFIT Venhuizer 2 $20.69 $21.76 5%
45 Best Buy Co Inc BBY 1madeamistake 2 $102.90 $107.74 5%
193 Ventas, Inc. VTR Unlucky-Prize 1 $41.52 $43.43 5%
29 Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Class B BRK.B Jeroen_Jrn, Cuza 31 $209.48 $218.92 5%
215 ServiceNow Inc NOW cookingboy 1 $431.21 $450.52 4%
86 Essent Group Ltd ESNT veggie-man 1 $35.82 $37.39 4%
254 Nuance Communications Inc. NUAN IwantmyMTZ 1 $29.48 $30.77 4%
198 NVR, Inc. NVR Linnake 1 $3,875.01 $4,036.96 4%
1 StoneCo Ltd STNE GromGrommeta 73 $49.06 $51.07 4%
43 Plug Power Inc PLUG lukwas_ 4 $11.28 $11.72 4%
35 Beyond Meat Inc BYND Kreisensalat, _Flipside_ 8 $131.51 $136.50 4%
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Bitcoin Token (BTCT) is a golden nugget

Have you heard about 'money remittance' concept? I'm sure you have used or at least heard someone talking about using WesternUnion or even USPS to send money to their loved ones across boundaries, typically from one country to another (i.e., from US to Mexico).
Sending 'money' to someone is not different than sending 'value' --that's worth something elsewhere-- or giving away some asset to a different person so he/she can use it towards any end. This core concept was looked-into by Satoshi Nakamoto (who invented Bitcoin) in its first whitepaper. Nevertheless, Bitcoin has its own setbacks regarding power-cost efficiency and transaction confirmation times, although it solves the 'double-spending' dilemma, it results in a pretty inefficient means to send small (<100 USD) amounts of money.

Other thing to take into consideration when evaluating a remittance platform is the regulation sandbox on both ends of the transaction. If the sender is in an over-regulated country, as is the recipient, then it could be costly and even unlawful, resulting on market inefficiencies that makes cryptocurrency remittances highly risky.

Bitcoin Token (BTCT) is a PIVX fork who, itself, is a DASH fork who, itself, is a BTC fork. That makes BTCT a 4th. BTC generation crypto asset, classified as a payment coin with its own blockchain. BTCT confirms transactions in less than 3 seconds. BTCT uses 1/1000 of the power used by a BTC miner to create new coins and it has the same total supply as BTC, that is: 21 million coins. And BTCT is also a PoS protocol crypto asset, making it available to mine either by old computers as newly produced high-end ones, like any i7 or AMD Ryzen based motherboards.

Bitcoin Token (BTCT) is also a true decentralised project, like BTC; there's no CEO nor CTO nor CFO, making it a community-driven cryptocurrency.
Bitcoin Token (BTCT) was launched on 21st. November, 2019. It has a market capitalization of about 300K USD and its current price is ranging between 50 and 150 satoshis. Their community is 50K+ wide abroad Twitter, Telegram, Facebook, Instagram, Discord and Bitcointalk. The cost of one masternode (staking miner) is about $70 USD, which has an implicit collateral of 10K BTCT coins. They're listed on 6+ exchanges, CoinMarketCap, CoinGecko and have a really awesome dev team.

There's been a lot of chatter about this project being able to deliver BTCT direct spending on 'real-fiat' world via a debit card, and that's because of their partnership with ZCore. If they manage to do that, I'm sure it will surely be a nice valuable alternative to remittance coins like XRP, and it would likely pose a very interesting investment option for 'low-marketcap' cryptos.

Their official website is: https://www.bitcointoken.pw/
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Transcript of discussion between an ASIC designer and several proof-of-work designers from #monero-pow channel on Freenode this morning

[08:07:01] lukminer contains precompiled cn/r math sequences for some blocks: https://lukminer.org/2019/03/09/oh-kay-v4r-here-we-come/
[08:07:11] try that with RandomX :P
[08:09:00] tevador: are you ready for some RandomX feedback? it looks like the CNv4 is slowly stabilizing, hashrate comes down...
[08:09:07] how does it even make sense to precompile it?
[08:09:14] mine 1% faster for 2 minutes?
[08:09:35] naturally we think the entire asic-resistance strategy is doomed to fail :) but that's a high-level thing, who knows. people may think it's great.
[08:09:49] about RandomX: looks like the cache size was chosen to make it GPU-hard
[08:09:56] looking forward to more docs
[08:11:38] after initial skimming, I would think it's possible to make a 10x asic for RandomX. But at least for us, we will only make an ASIC if there is not a total ASIC hostility there in the first place. That's better for the secret miners then.
[08:13:12] What I propose is this: we are working on an Ethash ASIC right now, and once we have that working, we would invite tevador or whoever wants to come to HK/Shenzhen and we walk you guys through how we would make a RandomX ASIC. You can then process this input in any way you like. Something like that.
[08:13:49] unless asics (or other accelerators) re-emerge on XMR faster than expected, it looks like there is a little bit of time before RandomX rollout
[08:14:22] 10x in what measure? $/hash or watt/hash?
[08:14:46] watt/hash
[08:15:19] so you can make 10 times more efficient double precisio FPU?
[08:16:02] like I said let's try to be productive. You are having me here, let's work together!
[08:16:15] continue with RandomX, publish more docs. that's always helpful.
[08:16:37] I'm trying to understand how it's possible at all. Why AMD/Intel are so inefficient at running FP calculations?
[08:18:05] midipoet ([email protected]/web/irccloud.com/x-vszshqqxwybvtsjm) has joined #monero-pow
[08:18:17] hardware development works the other way round. We start with 1) math then 2) optimization priority 3) hw/sw boundary 4) IP selection 5) physical implementation
[08:22:32] This still doesn't explain at which point you get 10x
[08:23:07] Weren't you the ones claiming "We can accelerate ProgPoW by a factor of 3x to 8x." ? I find it hard to believe too.
[08:30:20] sure
[08:30:26] so my idea: first we finish our current chip
[08:30:35] from simulation to silicon :)
[08:30:40] we love this stuff... we do it anyway
[08:30:59] now we have a communication channel, and we don't call each other names immediately anymore: big progress!
[08:31:06] you know, we russians have a saying "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about ravines"
[08:31:12] So I need a bit more details
[08:31:16] ha ha. good!
[08:31:31] that's why I want to avoid to just make claims
[08:31:34] let's work
[08:31:40] RandomX comes in Sep/Oct, right?
[08:31:45] Maybe
[08:32:20] We need to audit it first
[08:32:31] ok
[08:32:59] we don't make chips to prove sw devs that their assumptions about hardware are wrong. especially not if these guys then promptly hardfork and move to the next wrong assumption :)
[08:33:10] from the outside, this only means that hw & sw are devaluing each other
[08:33:24] neither of us should do this
[08:33:47] we are making chips that can hopefully accelerate more crypto ops in the future
[08:33:52] signing, verifying, proving, etc.
[08:34:02] PoW is just a feature like others
[08:34:18] sech1: is it easy for you to come to Hong Kong? (visa-wise)
[08:34:20] or difficult?
[08:34:33] or are you there sometimes?
[08:34:41] It's kind of far away
[08:35:13] we are looking forward to more RandomX docs. that's the first step.
[08:35:31] I want to avoid that we have some meme "Linzhi says they can accelerate XYZ by factor x" .... "ha ha ha"
[08:35:37] right? we don't want that :)
[08:35:39] doc is almost finished
[08:35:40] What docs do you need? It's described pretty good
[08:35:41] so I better say nothing now
[08:35:50] we focus on our Ethash chip
[08:36:05] then based on that, we are happy to walk interested people through the design and what else it can do
[08:36:22] that's a better approach from my view than making claims that are laughed away (rightfully so, because no silicon...)
[08:36:37] ethash ASIC is basically a glorified memory controller
[08:36:39] sech1: tevador said something more is coming (he just did it again)
[08:37:03] yes, some parts of RandomX are not described well
[08:37:10] like dataset access logic
[08:37:37] RandomX looks like progpow for CPU
[08:37:54] yes
[08:38:03] it is designed to reflect CPU
[08:38:34] so any ASIC for it = CPU in essence
[08:39:04] of course there are still some things in regular CPU that can be thrown away for RandomX
[08:40:20] uncore parts are not used, but those will use very little power
[08:40:37] except for memory controller
[08:41:09] I'm just surprised sometimes, ok? let me ask: have you designed or taped out an asic before? isn't it risky to make assumptions about things that are largely unknown?
[08:41:23] I would worry
[08:41:31] that I get something wrong...
[08:41:44] but I also worry like crazy that CNv4 will blow up, where you guys seem to be relaxed
[08:42:06] I didn't want to bring up anything RandomX because CNv4 is such a nailbiter... :)
[08:42:15] how do you guys know you don't have asics in a week or two?
[08:42:38] we don't have experience with ASIC design, but RandomX is simply designed to exactly fit CPU capabilities, which is the best you can do anyways
[08:43:09] similar as ProgPoW did with GPUs
[08:43:14] some people say they want to do asic-resistance only until the vast majority of coins has been issued
[08:43:21] that's at least reasonable
[08:43:43] yeah but progpow totally will not work as advertised :)
[08:44:08] yeah, I've seen that comment about progpow a few times already
[08:44:11] which is no surprise if you know it's just a random sales story to sell a few more GPUs
[08:44:13] RandomX is not permanent, we are expecting to switch to ASIC friendly in a few years if possible
[08:44:18] yes
[08:44:21] that makes sense
[08:44:40] linzhi-sonia: how so? will it break or will it be asic-able with decent performance gains?
[08:44:41] are you happy with CNv4 so far?
[08:45:10] ah, long story. progpow is a masterpiece of deception, let's not get into it here.
[08:45:21] if you know chip marketing it makes more sense
[08:45:24] linzhi-sonia: So far? lol! a bit early to tell, don't you think?
[08:45:35] the diff is coming down
[08:45:41] first few hours looked scary
[08:45:43] I remain skeptical: I only see ASICs being reasonable if they are already as ubiquitous as smartphones
[08:45:46] yes, so far so good
[08:46:01] we kbew the diff would not come down ubtil affter block 75
[08:46:10] yes
[08:46:22] but first few hours it looks like only 5% hashrate left
[08:46:27] looked
[08:46:29] now it's better
[08:46:51] the next worry is: when will "unexplainable" hashrate come back?
[08:47:00] you hope 2-3 months? more?
[08:47:05] so give it another couple of days. will probably overshoot to the downside, and then rise a bit as miners get updated and return
[08:47:22] 3 months minimum turnaround, yes
[08:47:28] nah
[08:47:36] don't underestimate asicmakers :)
[08:47:54] you guys don't get #1 priority on chip fabs
[08:47:56] 3 months = 90 days. do you know what is happening in those 90 days exactly? I'm pretty sure you don't. same thing as before.
[08:48:13] we don't do any secret chips btw
[08:48:21] 3 months assumes they had a complete design ready to go, and added the last minute change in 1 day
[08:48:24] do you know who is behind the hashrate that is now bricked?
[08:48:27] innosilicon?
[08:48:34] hyc: no no, and no. :)
[08:48:44] hyc: have you designed or taped out a chip before?
[08:48:51] yes, many years ago
[08:49:10] then you should know that 90 days is not a fixed number
[08:49:35] sure, but like I said, other makers have greater demand
[08:49:35] especially not if you can prepare, if you just have to modify something, or you have more programmability in the chip than some people assume
[08:50:07] we are chipmakers, we would never dare to do what you guys are doing with CNv4 :) but maybe that just means you are cooler!
[08:50:07] and yes, programmability makes some aspect of turnaround easier
[08:50:10] all fine
[08:50:10] I hope it works!
[08:50:28] do you know who is behind the hashrate that is now bricked?
[08:50:29] inno?
[08:50:41] we suspect so, but have no evidence
[08:50:44] maybe we can try to find them, but we cannot spend too much time on this
[08:50:53] it's probably not so much of a secret
[08:51:01] why should it be, right?
[08:51:10] devs want this cat-and-mouse game? devs get it...
[08:51:35] there was one leak saying it's innosilicon
[08:51:36] so you think 3 months, ok
[08:51:43] inno is cool
[08:51:46] good team
[08:51:49] IP design house
[08:51:54] in Wuhan
[08:52:06] they send their people to conferences with fake biz cards :)
[08:52:19] pretending to be other companies?
[08:52:26] sure
[08:52:28] ha ha
[08:52:39] so when we see them, we look at whatever card they carry and laugh :)
[08:52:52] they are perfectly suited for secret mining games
[08:52:59] they made at most $6 million in 2 months of mining, so I wonder if it was worth it
[08:53:10] yeah. no way to know
[08:53:15] but it's good that you calculate!
[08:53:24] this is all about cost/benefit
[08:53:25] then you also understand - imagine the value of XMR goes up 5x, 10x
[08:53:34] that whole "asic resistance" thing will come down like a house of cards
[08:53:41] I would imagine they sell immediately
[08:53:53] the investor may fully understand the risk
[08:53:57] the buyer
[08:54:13] it's not healthy, but that's another discussion
[08:54:23] so mid-June
[08:54:27] let's see
[08:54:49] I would be susprised if CNv4 ASICs show up at all
[08:54:56] surprised*
[08:54:56] why?
[08:55:05] is only an economic question
[08:55:12] yeah should be interesting. FPGAs will be near their limits as well
[08:55:16] unless XMR goes up a lot
[08:55:19] no, not *only*. it's also a technology question
[08:55:44] you believe CNv4 is "asic resistant"? which feature?
[08:55:53] it's not
[08:55:59] cnv4 = Rabdomx ?
[08:56:03] no
[08:56:07] cnv4=cryptinight/r
[08:56:11] ah
[08:56:18] CNv4 is the one we have now, I think
[08:56:21] since yesterday
[08:56:30] it's plenty enough resistant for current XMR price
[08:56:45] that may be, yes!
[08:56:55] I look at daily payouts. XMR = ca. 100k USD / day
[08:57:03] it can hold until October, but it's not asic resistant
[08:57:23] well, last 24h only 22,442 USD :)
[08:57:32] I think 80 h/s per watt ASICs are possible for CNv4
[08:57:38] linzhi-sonia where do you produce your chips? TSMC?
[08:57:44] I'm cruious how you would expect to build a randomX ASIC that outperforms ARM cores for efficiency, or Intel cores for raw speed
[08:57:48] curious
[08:58:01] yes, tsmc
[08:58:21] Our team did the world's first bitcoin asic, Avalon
[08:58:25] and upcoming 2nd gen Ryzens (64-core EPYC) will be a blast at RandomX
[08:58:28] designed and manufactured
[08:58:53] still being marketed?
[08:59:03] linzhi-sonia: do you understand what xmr wants to achieve, community-wise?
[08:59:14] Avalon? as part of Canaan Creative, yes I think so.
[08:59:25] there's not much interesting oing on in SHA256
[08:59:29] Inge-: I would think so, but please speak
[08:59:32] hyc: yes
[09:00:28] linzhi-sonia: i am curious to hear your thoughts. I am fairly new to this space myself...
[09:00:51] oh
[09:00:56] we are grandpas, and grandmas
[09:01:36] yet I have no problem understanding why ASICS are currently reviled.
[09:01:48] xmr's main differentiators to, let's say btc, are anonymity and fungibility
[09:01:58] I find the client terribly slow btw
[09:02:21] and I think the asic-forking since last may is wrong, doesn't create value and doesn't help with the project objectives
[09:02:25] which "the client" ?
[09:02:52] Monero GUI client maybe
[09:03:12] MacOS, yes
[09:03:28] What exactly is slow?
[09:03:30] linzhi-sonia: I run my own node, and use the CLI and Monerujo. Have not had issues.
[09:03:49] staying in sync
[09:03:49] linzhi-sonia: decentralization is also a key principle
[09:03:56] one that Bitcoin has failed to maintain
[09:04:39] hmm
[09:05:00] looks fairly decentralized to me. decentralization is the result of 3 goals imo: resilient, trustless, permissionless
[09:05:28] don't ask a hardware maker about physical decentralization. that's too ideological. we focus on logical decentralization.
[09:06:11] physical decentralization is important. with bulk of bitnoin mining centered on Chinese hydroelectric dams
[09:06:19] have you thought about including block data in the PoW?
[09:06:41] yes, of course.
[09:07:39] is that already in an algo?
[09:08:10] hyc: about "centered on chinese hydro" - what is your source? the best paper I know is this: https://coinshares.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Mining-Whitepaper-Final.pdf
[09:09:01] linzhi-sonia: do you mine on your ASICs before you sell them?
[09:09:13] besides testing of course
[09:09:45] that paper puts Chinese btc miners at 60% max
[09:10:05] tevador: I think everybody learned that that is not healthy long-term!
[09:10:16] because it gives the chipmaker a cost advantage over its own customers
[09:10:33] and cost advantage leads to centralization (physical and logical)
[09:10:51] you guys should know who finances progpow and why :)
[09:11:05] but let's not get into this, ha ha. want to keep the channel civilized. right OhGodAGirl ? :)
[09:11:34] tevador: so the answer is no! 100% and definitely no
[09:11:54] that "self-mining" disease was one of the problems we have now with asics, and their bad reputation (rightfully so)
[09:13:08] I plan to write a nice short 2-page paper or so on our chip design process. maybe it's interesting to some people here.
[09:13:15] basically the 5 steps I mentioned before, from math to physical
[09:13:32] linzhi-sonia: the paper you linked puts 48% of bitcoin mining in Sichuan. the total in China is much more than 60%
[09:13:38] need to run it by a few people to fix bugs, will post it here when published
[09:14:06] hyc: ok! I am just sharing the "best" document I know today. it definitely may be wrong and there may be a better one now.
[09:14:18] hyc: if you see some reports, please share
[09:14:51] hey I am really curious about this: where is a PoW algo that puts block data into the PoW?
[09:15:02] the previous paper I read is from here http://hackingdistributed.com/2018/01/15/decentralization-bitcoin-ethereum/
[09:15:38] hyc: you said that already exists? (block data in PoW)
[09:15:45] it would make verification harder
[09:15:49] linzhi-sonia: https://the-eye.eu/public/Books/campdivision.com/PDF/Computers%20General/Privacy/bitcoin/meh/hashimoto.pdf
[09:15:51] but for chips it would be interesting
[09:15:52] we discussed the possibility about a year ago https://www.reddit.com/Monero/comments/8bshrx/what_we_need_to_know_about_proof_of_work_pow/
[09:16:05] oh good links! thanks! need to read...
[09:16:06] I think that paper by dryja was original
[09:17:53] since we have a nice flow - second question I'm very curious about: has anyone thought about in-protocol rewards for other functions?
[09:18:55] we've discussed micropayments for wallets to use remote nodes
[09:18:55] you know there is a lot of work in other coins about STARK provers, zero-knowledge, etc. many of those things very compute intense, or need to be outsourced to a service (zether). For chipmakers, in-protocol rewards create an economic incentive to accelerate those things.
[09:19:50] whenever there is an in-protocol reward, you may get the power of ASICs doing something you actually want to happen
[09:19:52] it would be nice if there was some economic reward for running a fullnode, but no one has come up with much more than that afaik
[09:19:54] instead of fighting them off
[09:20:29] you need to use asics, not fight them. that's an obvious thing to say for an asicmaker...
[09:20:41] in-protocol rewards can be very powerful
[09:20:50] like I said before - unless the ASICs are so useful they're embedded in every smartphone, I dont see them being a positive for decentralization
[09:21:17] if they're a separate product, the average consumer is not going to buy them
[09:21:20] now I was talking about speedup of verifying, signing, proving, etc.
[09:21:23] they won't even know what they are
[09:22:07] if anybody wants to talk about or design in-protocol rewards, please come talk to us
[09:22:08] the average consumer also doesn't use general purpose hardware to secure blockchains either
[09:22:14] not just for PoW, in fact *NOT* for PoW
[09:22:32] it requires sw/hw co-design
[09:23:10] we are in long-term discussions/collaboration over this with Ethereum, Bitcoin Cash. just talk right now.
[09:23:16] this was recently published though suggesting more uptake though I guess https://btcmanager.com/college-students-are-the-second-biggest-miners-of-cryptocurrency/
[09:23:29] I find it pretty hard to believe their numbers
[09:24:03] well
[09:24:09] sorry, original article: https://www.pcmag.com/news/366952/college-kids-are-using-campus-electricity-to-mine-crypto
[09:24:11] just talk, no? rumors
[09:24:18] college students are already more educated than the average consumer
[09:24:29] we are not seeing many such customers anymore
[09:24:30] it's data from cisco monitoring network traffic
[09:24:33] and they're always looking for free money
[09:24:48] of course anyone with "free" electricity is inclined to do it
[09:24:57] but look at the rates, cannot make much money
[09:26:06] Ethereum is a bloated collection of bugs wrapped in a UI. I suppose they need all the help they can get
[09:26:29] Bitcoin Cash ... just another get rich quick scheme
[09:26:38] hmm :)
[09:26:51] I'll give it back to you, ok? ha ha. arrogance comes before the fall...
[09:27:17] maye we should have a little fun with CNv4 mining :)
[09:27:25] ;)
[09:27:38] come on. anyone who has watched their track record... $75M lost in ETH at DAO hack
[09:27:50] every smart contract that comes along is just waiting for another hack
[09:27:58] I just wanted to throw out the "in-protocol reward" thing, maybe someone sees the idea and wants to cowork. maybe not. maybe it's a stupid idea.
[09:29:18] linzhi-sonia: any thoughts on CN-GPU?
[09:29:55] CN-GPU has one positive aspect - it wastes chip area to implement all 18 hash algorithms
[09:30:19] you will always hear roughly the same feedback from me:
[09:30:52] "This algorithm very different, it heavy use floating point operations to hurt FPGAs and general purpose CPUs"
[09:30:56] the problem is, if it's profitable for people to buy ASIC miners and mine, it's always more profitable for the manufacturer to not sell and mine themselves
[09:31:02] "hurt"
[09:31:07] what is the point of this?
[09:31:15] it totally doesn't work
[09:31:24] you are hurting noone, just demonstrating lack of ability to think
[09:31:41] what is better: algo designed for chip, or chip designed for algo?
[09:31:43] fireice does it on daily basis, CN-GPU is a joke
[09:31:53] tevador: that's not really true, especially in a market with such large price fluctuations as cryptocurrency
[09:32:12] it's far less risky to sell miners than mine with them and pray that price doesn't crash for next six months
[09:32:14] I think it's great that crypto has a nice group of asicmakers now, hw & sw will cowork well
[09:32:36] jwinterm yes, that's why they premine them and sell after
[09:32:41] PoW is about being thermodynamically and cryptographically provable
[09:32:45] premining with them is taking on that risk
[09:32:49] not "fork when we think there are asics"
[09:32:51] business is about risk minimization
[09:32:54] that's just fear-driven
[09:33:05] Inge-: that's roughly the feedback
[09:33:24] I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I think it's not so simple as saying "it always happens"
[09:34:00] jwinterm: it has certainly happened on BTC. and also on XMR.
[09:34:19] ironically, please think about it: these kinds of algos indeed prove the limits of the chips they were designed for. but they don't prove that you cannot implement the same algo differently! cannot!
[09:34:26] Risk minimization is not starting a business at all.
[09:34:34] proof-of-gpu-limit. proof-of-cpu-limit.
[09:34:37] imagine you have a money printing machine, would you sell it?
[09:34:39] proves nothing for an ASIC :)
[09:35:05] linzhi-sonia: thanks. I dont think anyone believes you can't make a more efficient cn-gpu asic than a gpu - but that it would not be orders of magnitude faster...
[09:35:24] ok
[09:35:44] like I say. these algos are, that's really ironic, designed to prove the limitatios of a particular chip in mind of the designer
[09:35:50] exactly the wrong way round :)
[09:36:16] like the cache size in RandomX :)
[09:36:18] beautiful
[09:36:29] someone looked at GPU designs
[09:37:31] linzhi-sonia can you elaborate? Cache size in RandomX was selected to fit CPU cache
[09:37:52] yes
[09:38:03] too large for GPU
[09:38:11] as I said, we are designing the algorithm to exactly fit CPU capabilities, I do not claim an ASIC cannot be more efficient
[09:38:16] ok!
[09:38:29] when will you do the audit?
[09:38:35] will the results be published in a document or so?
[09:38:37] I claim that single-chip ASIC is not viable, though
[09:39:06] you guys are brave, noone disputes that. 3 anti-asic hardforks now!
[09:39:18] 4th one coming
[09:39:31] 3 forks were done not only for this
[09:39:38] they had scheduled updates in the first place
[09:48:10] Monero is the #1 anti-asic fighter
[09:48:25] Monero is #1 for a lot of reasons ;)
[09:48:40] It's the coin with the most hycs.
[09:48:55] mooooo
[09:59:06] sneaky integer overflow, bug squished
[10:38:00] p0nziph0ne ([email protected]/vpn/privateinternetaccess/p0nziph0ne) has joined #monero-pow
[11:10:53] The convo here is wild
[11:12:29] it's like geo-politics at the intersection of software and hardware manufacturing for thermoeconomic value.
[11:13:05] ..and on a Sunday.
[11:15:43] midipoet: hw and sw should work together and stop silly games to devalue each other. to outsiders this is totally not attractive.
[11:16:07] I appreciate the positive energy here to try to listen, learn, understand.
[11:16:10] that's a start
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[11:16:54] we won't do silly mining against xmr "community" wishes, but not because we couldn'd do it, but because it's the wrong direction in the long run, for both sides
[11:18:57] linzhi-sonia: I agree to some extent. Though, in reality, there will always be divergence between social worlds. Not every body has the same vision of the future. Reaching societal consensus on reality tomorrow is not always easy
[11:20:25] absolutely. especially at a time when there is so much profit to be made from divisiveness.
[11:20:37] someone will want to make that profit, for sure
[11:24:32] Yes. Money distorts.
[11:24:47] Or wealth...one of the two
[11:26:35] Too much physical money will distort rays of light passing close to it indeed.
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